In this episode of Your Customer, Your Success, Gary sits down with Dr. Patrick Lynch, AI faculty lead at Hult International Business School, a Thinkers50 Radar 2026 honoree, and author of How to Outsmart AI and Thrive(Routledge, July). An industrial organizational psychologist and former Accenture Research Fellow, Patrick has trained leaders at companies including American Express, Boeing, and ExxonMobil.
The conversation centers on a single reframe:
AI is not a project. It is a practice.
Patrick places AI in the long arc of foundational technologies, from the industrial revolutions through the computer and the internet, and explains why this shift is different. Earlier waves took aim at physical labor. This one takes aim at cognitive work, the way we think and make decisions. That changes what leaders should actually be doing about it.
He draws a line between Vanity AI, adopting a tool to replicate something you already do, and Viable AI, using it to add value you could not deliver before. The math on pure replacement does not pencil out, because the workers being automated hold specialized knowledge that does not disappear with the routine tasks. The real work sits with people and process, not the technology, and Patrick uses the BCG 70/20/10 split to make the point.
Gary and Patrick also get into why data quality decides whether AI works at all, the AI wall that keeps a tool from bridging gaps in real expertise, and the AI Quartet, four ways people come to relate to these tools once they start treating them like teammates. They close on the layoffs narrative, what it means for a small to mid-sized business without a chief AI officer or a six-figure budget, and the one move a leader can make Monday morning.
This episode reinforces a core principle of the show:
Leadership behavior drives how technology lands.
People and process come before the tool.
New value, not replacement, is where the return lives.
If you are a founder, operator, or leader trying to think clearly about AI without the hype or the fear, this conversation will sharpen how you decide where the tool belongs and where your own expertise still has to carry the work.
What You’ll Learn
- Why Patrick frames AI as a practice rather than a project, and what that changes for leaders
- How earlier technology shifts targeted physical labor, and why this one targets cognitive work
- The difference between Vanity AI and Viable AI
- Why replacing workers with automation rarely pencils out
- The 70/20/10 split, and why most of the work is people and process
- How data quality determines whether AI delivers or fails
- The AI wall, and why foundational expertise still decides the outcome
- The AI Quartet: Champion, Castaway, Cog, and Charmer
- What is really behind the AI and layoffs headlines
- Where the small to mid-sized business advantage actually sits
- The first move a leader should make Monday morning
Chapters
- 0:58 Introduction
- 2:28 The arc of technology from the industrial revolution to AI
- 3:47 What makes this shift different
- 6:15 Why AI becomes the problem when you treat it as the only solution
- 11:26 What an effective AI strategy looks like, and the biggest mistake companies make
- 14:57 Why data quality decides the outcome
- 17:50 The AI wall and why expertise still matters
- 19:18 The THRIVE model
- 21:58 The AI Quartet
- 27:58 The AI and layoffs narrative
- 32:09 What this means for a small to mid-sized business
- 35:29 The first move a leader should make Monday morning
- 37:33 Does It Hold Water?
- 41:27 Chip Shots
Book Recommendation
Influence by Robert Cialdini
Connect with Patrick
Website: https://patrickdelynch.com Book: How to Outsmart AI and Thrive (Routledge, July), available for pre-order on Amazon
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